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A vote was held and it was found the majority of the current devs/admins felt scenestar unable to work in a team. He was fired from running RTB. Henke37 has taken his place.
Here's the IRC convo
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<Sid> ok, Silent-Shadow, you want to start us off?
<Silent-Shadow> not really sure where :(
<Silent-Shadow> um
<Silent-Shadow> basically, i feel that it's time to see if we should keep scenestar or not
<Henke37> restating what the meeting is about is a good start
<html> sok
<Silent-Shadow> it's about scenestar being involved in HTS and RTB
<Silent-Shadow> arg, can someone link the forum post?
<Henke37> I will
<Silent-Shadow> thanks
<Sid> http://www.criticals...showtopic=19617
<Sid> and his second thread: http://www.criticals...showtopic=19634
<Silent-Shadow> ...ugh
<Silent-Shadow> i haven't read the second one
<Henke37> http://www.criticals...showtopic=19634
<Sid> it's pretty much a clone
<Silent-Shadow> yeah, k
<Silent-Shadow> Henke37: in his noted repost of my post, he says
<Silent-Shadow> ""
<Silent-Shadow> err
<Silent-Shadow> "In comparison he did very little compared to the other unreleased work."
<Silent-Shadow> that's why i was wondering what all has actually been done, since you're actually involved
<Henke37> well, he have not told me about anything unreleased
<Silent-Shadow> and you've apparently done little compared to him?
<Henke37> he have provided hosting once in a while and some sort of html layout
<Henke37> and overal guiedence
<Silent-Shadow> alright
<Silent-Shadow> another part of his repost
<Silent-Shadow> The server was broken after backdoored by wells, didn.t resolve and you didn.t fucking lift a finger to either help fix the dns.
<Silent-Shadow> the rm -rf /* was still in my copy paste buffer for another shell on a virtual machine. If you fucking force me to use different servers it becomes a bitch to keep track of all those open terminal windows.
<Henke37> me thinks scenestart should get to comment
<Silent-Shadow> he will
<Henke37> now
<Silent-Shadow> if he joins now, this is going to get chaotic
<Silent-Shadow> Wells backdoored the rtb jail sshd
<Silent-Shadow> then it broke
<Silent-Shadow> so i cleaned it, rebuilt it, and got it back up in less than 5 minutes
--> scenestar (I.KILLED@Over6MillionNoobsDuringTheLollercaustAndAllIGotWasThis.Vhost) has joined #adminmeeting
<scenestar> ops plz
--- Silent-Shadow gives channel operator status to scenestar
<Henke37> we are reading the forum topic you two posted in
<Silent-Shadow> as for dns, it was working just fine, but his ISP's dns hadn't updated, and somehow i guess that's my fault
<html> a question, when did wells backdoor the sshd?
<Silent-Shadow> two days before jeremy went into jail
<Silent-Shadow> he gave Wells his email pass
<scenestar> if i am admin for a project i should be the one with full dns access
<Silent-Shadow> an email in there for wahtever reason had the root pass to rtb
<scenestar> and i should be the first one to see if it resolves or not
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar, ok, set your dns to 12.169.160.151 and 152
<scenestar> and with people backdooring my sshd i do not trust your servers
<scenestar> and i am not using your dns for privacy reasons
<Henke37> privacy?
<Silent-Shadow> huh?
<scenestar> well both that
<scenestar> and the fact that i manage more domains than just rtb
<scenestar> i host alot more domains on another dns
<Silent-Shadow> ok?
<scenestar> so it just doesn't make sense from any logical perspective to use those
<Silent-Shadow> DNS, when changed, can take 48 horus to propogate
<Silent-Shadow> and you got pissed when it didn't happen in 2 minutes
<Henke37> you could have added a NS record that pointed to your dns
<Silent-Shadow> Henke37: who?
<Henke37> scenestar,
<Silent-Shadow> he does for his domains
<scenestar> if i recall i am not allowed to do so
<Silent-Shadow> your server and domains are for projects unrelated ot hackthissite
<scenestar> yet just as important as hackthissite
<Silent-Shadow> you had no right to publicly and officially change the name of rootthisbox to .net without talking to anyone about it, let alone telling anyone about it
<Silent-Shadow> same with moving the site to a different server
<Silent-Shadow> i'm the sysadmin, and when stuff starts happening without me knowing, i get worried
<scenestar> it would be totally transparent to the users
<scenestar> they wouldnt notice anything
<Silent-Shadow> yeah, except then the site went down on your box
<scenestar> and i told you several times, but you refused
<Silent-Shadow> it was working on the jail
<Silent-Shadow> there was no reason to even move it in the first place
<scenestar> downtime is acceptable in something under development
<Silent-Shadow> yet you did it without telliing anyone
<Silent-Shadow> it's been in "pre alpha" for 3 months
<Silent-Shadow> even v4 is farther than "pre alpha"
<scenestar> yeah so
<Silent-Shadow> and why is it taking so long?
<html> 3monts plus the 6 months before ^^
<Henke37> well, it is partly done and partly not done at all
<scenestar> 1: It takes time to do things right
<scenestar> 2: I want to use my own servers because i simply prefer debian
<Henke37> why it is taking so long? I got a life + it is distracting with changeing server like twice a week
<scenestar> yeah
<scenestar> that too
<html> as far as I know scenestar, you had root in the jail, so had everything you needed to set the jail up and to run the project
<scenestar> html
<scenestar> wrong
<html> how so?
<Silent-Shadow> so you had to change everything on a whim wihtout telling anyone because you just don't like the OS?
<scenestar> i cant even ping or nmap localhost to check if a port is open
<Silent-Shadow> it was already working
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar: that's because you broke the jail
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow i cant even use nmap
<Silent-Shadow> you were in the wrong jail
<Silent-Shadow> you can, actually
<scenestar> even now that it is fixed i cannot
<Silent-Shadow> and it works fine, as i tested
<scenestar> last night nmap did not work
<scenestar> nor did ping
<Silent-Shadow> try it from a different computer
<Silent-Shadow> you can ping out
<Henke37> I can't even run who is the ssh account I last got
<Silent-Shadow> i also have the kernel security level higher to prevent kernel escalations
<scenestar> so do I
<Silent-Shadow> that DOES block some things that are NOT required to build a functioning website and scanner
<scenestar> who says that they are not required
<Henke37> I do
<scenestar> If i want to check nmap to see if mail is working
<scenestar> for validation
<Silent-Shadow> then netstat -an
<scenestar> what is wrong with that?
<Silent-Shadow> or sockstat
<scenestar> i prefer nmap
<Silent-Shadow> ok
<Silent-Shadow> then why do it from localhost
<Silent-Shadow> maybe it's only listening to localhost
<scenestar> because i dont have to open another terminal
<Henke37> screen
<Henke37> + lazyness is a bad excuse
<scenestar> screen only works on 1 host
<Silent-Shadow> if you're going to test for external ports, don't scan from localhost
<scenestar> well anyways, why are admins not allowed to run their own projects as they see fit
<scenestar> Why does everything have to be hosted on the hts server
<scenestar> give me one good valid reason
<Henke37> so that it all can be easily wiped?
<Henke37> wait, that is a bad reason
<Silent-Shadow> Henke37: that wou'dnlt happen
<Silent-Shadow> it's a seperate jail
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow
<scenestar> still
<scenestar> why
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar: because even though you're "running" the project, it's not yours
<scenestar> so right
<Silent-Shadow> and your "decisions" are ones that SHOULD be made by the group
<Silent-Shadow> not just you
<scenestar> the code that Henke37
<scenestar> wrote
<scenestar> isnt his
<Henke37> actualy it is
<Silent-Shadow> which code?
<scenestar> it belongs to *hts*
<Silent-Shadow> ...he still wrote it
<scenestar> the php Henke37 wrote
<Silent-Shadow> what have you done?
<scenestar> well what did Henke37 do
<Henke37> I never signed or said anything that gave away the copyright to the php code
<Silent-Shadow> he wrote the php
<scenestar> he put, time and effort into Henke37
<scenestar> same here, i put time and effort into it too
<html> well from my side of view scenestar did a lot
<html> not coding, not admin work, but trouble
<scenestar> hum?
<scenestar> you mean i've dealt with trouble
<html> if you want to contribute to the hts team, you have to accept team rules
<scenestar> uhuh
<html> otherwise you have to run your own separate things
<Silent-Shadow> you can't work in a team
<scenestar> if i want to have a meeting in here
<scenestar> you just left for 2 weeks
<Silent-Shadow> you always want to have more power, more access
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow got snowed in
<Silent-Shadow> 4 days
<scenestar> you people are useless as a team
<Silent-Shadow> ...
<scenestar> you arent around
<scenestar> or dont respond
<Silent-Shadow> everyone else seems to be doing fine except you
<scenestar> Henke37 i can rely on
<scenestar> Sid too
<Silent-Shadow> the way i've seen you treat henke in #rootthisbox scares me
<Silent-Shadow> i wonder why he even wants to work with you
<scenestar> Henke37 what is your opinion on this
<Silent-Shadow> i've never seen someone so condescending as you
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow : i give him all the freedom to do as he sees fit
<Henke37> I work with the one that gives the best offer
<scenestar> i dont enforce rules like USE THIS SERVER NOW
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar, so then in his freedom, he could remove all his code, right?
<scenestar> I listen to him and take his word for it
<scenestar> very well he could
<Henke37> actualy you and ss is the only who have said what server to use
<Henke37> I sure can
<Silent-Shadow> good to know
<scenestar> That is one of the reasons why i try to not let it come to that point
<scenestar> and keep him happy
<Silent-Shadow> you fired him the other day
<Silent-Shadow> what was that for again?
<Henke37> licensing issues
<scenestar> I apologised on that later
<Silent-Shadow> ok
<Henke37> I did not wan't gpl since it gave to much rights
<Silent-Shadow> so explain to me why you were trying to change the domain 'officially' wihtout telling anyone
<Silent-Shadow> or the server
<html> scenestar, do you still want to contribute to hts or hts related projects ?
<scenestar> html i sure do
<Silent-Shadow> or how you could "accidently" rm -rf /* a server, by being in the wrong terminal
<html> when are you going to accept team decisions ?
<scenestar> html as soon as they are made
<Silent-Shadow> or taking that layout and putting it on rtb to show it's still "active" and claiming it as your own code
<scenestar> you have not been around for days
<Henke37> one issue at a time
<Silent-Shadow> even henke thought it was your own code
<html> indeed I have been ill
<Silent-Shadow> and once someone found out, you editted the code just a little bit
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow
<Silent-Shadow> or what about the IE popup thing basically demanding people that use IE to use firefox, which gets YOU more money
<scenestar> The "stolen template" was taken from openwebdesign.org, a site that I upload my own templates to as well.
<scenestar> I put it up in order to show more than stale black and white html pages. I was working on an original one Until i all of a sudden had to drop all work to deal with silent bullshit move requests
<Silent-Shadow> i don't care that you took a template
<Silent-Shadow> even from a site like that
<scenestar> As a hacker I feel it is my duty to have users switch to a better, more secure browser, this is popup was just one of the ways.
<scenestar> the popup was broken, and i admit that, it was however something that I didn’t even have a chance to look at and fix. If you paid any attention You would have known that
<scenestar> I put it up in order to show more than stale black and white html pages. I was working on an original one Until i all of a sudden had to drop all work to deal with silent bullshit move requests
<scenestar> ^^my reply to the template
<Silent-Shadow> i don't care that you took a template
<Silent-Shadow> even from a site like that
<Silent-Shadow> but you claimed it as _yours_
<Silent-Shadow> and it wasn't yours
<scenestar> sigh
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow
<Silent-Shadow> i'm at work and have a couple things i'm doing, sorry if i'm delayed
<html> from my side of view scenestar has never accepted team rules yet. he had root for rtb for roughly 9 months and we all know how far the project has come and who did what part of the work which is done so far. when I come on irc I always see scenestar saying "meh, I am bored". I must clearly say, from my side of view scenestar should run his own projects apart from hts.
<Silent-Shadow> and he is nearly impossible to work with
<Silent-Shadow> when i 'came onboard'
<Silent-Shadow> he kept demanding full privs to rtb
<Silent-Shadow> at the time it was outthere
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow
<Silent-Shadow> and finally html and i said whatever, go for it
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:41 <Wells> scenestar, what don't you like
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:41 <Slothearn> Eh...
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:46 <scenestar> blegh
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:46 <Synchronium> mad lulz right there
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:48 <scenestar> too dark
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:49 <Synchronium> When it happens to Slothearn
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:50 <Slothearn> I'm a lot more chill than you think, Marco.
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:53 <scenestar> plus its basicly a quick hack
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:58 <Slothearn> Shit like that doesn't really piss me off.
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:18:04 <scenestar> of a OSWD.org template
<scenestar> owned
<scenestar> i got you
<scenestar> i never claimed it was mine
<Wells> fuck the template, it's not important
<Silent-Shadow> and the first thing that he did was demand admin on the forums as well, threateing to remove cs.net from hts.org
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:16:20 <scenestar> blegh
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:16:26 <scenestar> i dont like the current rootthisbox site
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:16:29 * scenestar does a redo
<Henke37> posting a log never proofs that you did not say it someother time
<Wells> what Henke37 said
<nyko> If scenestar is removed, who is left to develop rtb?
<scenestar> right
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar: you posted on the forums where both henke and you claimed it was your layout
<scenestar> show that
<scenestar> you have to prove that
<Henke37> agreed, prove it
<Silent-Shadow> http://www.criticals...?...8584&st=40#
<Silent-Shadow> from henke...
<Silent-Shadow> Scenestar is our webdesigner, he did the stylesheet.
<Silent-Shadow> To be honest I absolutely hate it.
<Silent-Shadow> It's a quick and dirty throw together of various templates and stuff I had lying around, plus It's a complete bitch to maintain. Every time i add or remove and image/element it completely breaks.
<Silent-Shadow> that's from you ^^
<Silent-Shadow> the
<Silent-Shadow> To be honest I absolutely hate it.
<Silent-Shadow> It's a quick and dirty throw together of various templates and stuff I had lying around, plus It's a complete bitch to maintain. Every time i add or remove and image/element it completely breaks.
<scenestar> It's a quick and dirty throw together of various templates and stuff I had lying around, plus It's a complete bitch to maintain. Every time i add or remove and image/element it completely breaks.
<scenestar> It's a quick and dirty throw together of various templates and stuff I had lying around,
<scenestar> note the last part
<Wells> let's drop this issue
<scenestar> I HAD LYING AROUND
<Wells> we are just playing word games
<scenestar> Wells Silent-Shadow considers this a major issue
<scenestar> i want this resolved
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar: no i don't
<Wells> everything can be interpreted differently
<Silent-Shadow> you're the one trying to prove this one specifically
<Silent-Shadow> you're impossible to work with
<Silent-Shadow> you make major decisions on your own
<Silent-Shadow> even i haven't done that
<Silent-Shadow> you public slander people
<Silent-Shadow> you can't get along with the team
<scenestar> so uhm
<scenestar> the truth is not slander
<scenestar> it's just biased against you
<Silent-Shadow> you're saying that i'm holding rootthisbox hostage, and that i've gone crazy?
<scenestar> hush
<Silent-Shadow> and yet you do these decisions
<Silent-Shadow> major decisions
<Silent-Shadow> rtb is a website, with a scanner
<Silent-Shadow> and perhaps a setup that does the dns like you were saying
<Silent-Shadow> i like that
<Silent-Shadow> and with our current set up, with that "telnet" thing you don't like
<Silent-Shadow> that would be EASY to add another subdomain
<Silent-Shadow> could script it in php
<scenestar> <Silent-Shadow> if i see .net ANYWHERE on that site, you're removed
<scenestar> <Silent-Shadow> i'm fucking sick of it
<scenestar> <scenestar> Silent-Shadow
<scenestar> <Silent-Shadow> i don't give a shit what you've done for .net
<scenestar> yes
<scenestar> you have gone crazy
<scenestar> bat shit insane to be honest
<Silent-Shadow> dude, that's because you're trying to make it .net
<Silent-Shadow> and you didn't fucking listen
<Silent-Shadow> and i hear about .net again
<Silent-Shadow> so i say no
<Wells> rtb has always been .org, it matches with hackthissite
<Wells> no reason to change it
<Wells> i don't even know why that was registered
<scenestar> hah
<scenestar> i was planning to reg it
<scenestar> and one day before i did
<scenestar> silent reregged .org
<Silent-Shadow> and you say i'm slow at updating dns?
<Henke37> fact: rtb.net is legaly owned by scenestar
<scenestar> plus, hackthissite.net has ads on it
<Wells> who cares about rtb.net
<Silent-Shadow> hts.net isn't us
<scenestar> so i just plain regged it anyways
<scenestar> so that *wouldnt* happen again
<Henke37> net or org? we got cs.net
<Silent-Shadow> but we never had cs.org
<Wells> i don't even like cs.net as a domain
<Silent-Shadow> there is no reason to change something that has been the same for 2+ years
<Wells> why not forums.hackthissite.org
<Wells> heh
<html> off topic
<Wells> yeah ok
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar, you've had access and ability to get everything up and running
<Silent-Shadow> and instead you've changed things without getting others in the team involved or even let them know
<html> yep, for 9 months
<Silent-Shadow> and caused more problems than anyone i can remember
<Silent-Shadow> RTB isn't that complicated, and it's definitely not supposed to be a profitable thing
<Silent-Shadow> which is exactly what you're trying to make it
<Silent-Shadow> you said that iceshaman stole all the money from buz, and you even said you called buz to confirm that
<scenestar> wait wait wait
<scenestar> 1 thing at a time plz
<Silent-Shadow> i talked to buz, and he called you a liar, and has then since sent the money to my paypal
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar: no, it's over
<scenestar> what
<Silent-Shadow> you're done
<scenestar> rtb was supposed to become bigger
<Silent-Shadow> you've got your server, and your domain
<scenestar> and better
<scenestar> more vms
<scenestar> more challenges
<scenestar> and better learning, because obviously previous games were too hard
<scenestar> so getting that all figured out took me an assload of time
<Silent-Shadow> so where is it?
<Henke37> the users where idiots too
<scenestar> all written down in txt files
<html> alright scenestar, good luck for your .net project.
<Silent-Shadow> my point is you are clearly in no condition to be doing this, with the way you handle yourself privately and publicly
<Wells> where are these text files
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow, how much longer till people get sick of you?
<Silent-Shadow> hopefully never
<scenestar> uhuh
<scenestar> i remember otherwise
<Silent-Shadow> because i promised Jeremy I would keep it all running smoothily til he got back
<scenestar> well you never made me admin
<scenestar> jeremy did
<Silent-Shadow> maybe 'back in the day'
<Silent-Shadow> but when i started hosting hts, outthere was running rtb
<Henke37> I think it would be apropiate now to mention that scenestar is not the only ne who have acted without asking people
<Henke37> Silent-Shadow asked me in pm about backups
<Silent-Shadow> Henke37: go for it
<scenestar> yeah
<scenestar> there's a double standard here
<Silent-Shadow> yeah, because i'd rather not have your code, Henke37, to go to waste
<Silent-Shadow> double standard my ass
<scenestar> if the forums can host themselves
<scenestar> why cant I?
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar: they're moving back to the same box
<Silent-Shadow> Sid's already agreed
<Henke37> of cource not to waste it, but seriously, now is not the time to bother
<scenestar> Sid nyko
<scenestar> confirm it
<Sid> moving to Silent-Shadow's box, yes, if he insists
<html> scenestar, you were admin, you had root and you became the official leader of the rtb project. the problem is, you didnt get it done
<scenestar> Henke37 can you tell me about who else acted without discussing
<Sid> no reason not to
<Henke37> scenestar, you are asking for confirmation about the ircd hoster. He can spoof messages you know
<nyko> Yeah
<Silent-Shadow> Henke37: i can't spoof messages
<scenestar> yes you can
<Silent-Shadow> that was sendraw, and it was removed over 2 months ago
<Silent-Shadow> don't call me a liar
<scenestar> you are calling me one
<Silent-Shadow> i already showed flatline and jeremy with shell to the box
<scenestar> so if i call you one
<scenestar> its bad?
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar: you are one
<scenestar> dont call me a liar
<Silent-Shadow> and you haev no proof that i'm lying
<Sid> I could always confirm it over MSN if scenestar doubts the ircd
<Silent-Shadow> and i have proof that you are
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow i can debunk all proof
<Silent-Shadow> iok
<Silent-Shadow> ok*
<Silent-Shadow> ask flatline
<Silent-Shadow> he's the one that has the proof
<nyko> Will you not work on rtb under silents server?
<Henke37> I am amased we still ain't namecalling
<html> it is more important to scenestar to say "blegh, I am bored" on irc, to ask for the apache logs in order to analyze the referers, to remove articles he doesnt like than working on rtb
<Silent-Shadow> not really sure where :(
<Silent-Shadow> um
<Silent-Shadow> basically, i feel that it's time to see if we should keep scenestar or not
<Henke37> restating what the meeting is about is a good start
<html> sok
<Silent-Shadow> it's about scenestar being involved in HTS and RTB
<Silent-Shadow> arg, can someone link the forum post?
<Henke37> I will
<Silent-Shadow> thanks
<Sid> http://www.criticals...showtopic=19617
<Sid> and his second thread: http://www.criticals...showtopic=19634
<Silent-Shadow> ...ugh
<Silent-Shadow> i haven't read the second one
<Henke37> http://www.criticals...showtopic=19634
<Sid> it's pretty much a clone
<Silent-Shadow> yeah, k
<Silent-Shadow> Henke37: in his noted repost of my post, he says
<Silent-Shadow> ""
<Silent-Shadow> err
<Silent-Shadow> "In comparison he did very little compared to the other unreleased work."
<Silent-Shadow> that's why i was wondering what all has actually been done, since you're actually involved
<Henke37> well, he have not told me about anything unreleased
<Silent-Shadow> and you've apparently done little compared to him?
<Henke37> he have provided hosting once in a while and some sort of html layout
<Henke37> and overal guiedence
<Silent-Shadow> alright
<Silent-Shadow> another part of his repost
<Silent-Shadow> The server was broken after backdoored by wells, didn.t resolve and you didn.t fucking lift a finger to either help fix the dns.
<Silent-Shadow> the rm -rf /* was still in my copy paste buffer for another shell on a virtual machine. If you fucking force me to use different servers it becomes a bitch to keep track of all those open terminal windows.
<Henke37> me thinks scenestart should get to comment
<Silent-Shadow> he will
<Henke37> now
<Silent-Shadow> if he joins now, this is going to get chaotic
<Silent-Shadow> Wells backdoored the rtb jail sshd
<Silent-Shadow> then it broke
<Silent-Shadow> so i cleaned it, rebuilt it, and got it back up in less than 5 minutes
--> scenestar (I.KILLED@Over6MillionNoobsDuringTheLollercaustAndAllIGotWasThis.Vhost) has joined #adminmeeting
<scenestar> ops plz
--- Silent-Shadow gives channel operator status to scenestar
<Henke37> we are reading the forum topic you two posted in
<Silent-Shadow> as for dns, it was working just fine, but his ISP's dns hadn't updated, and somehow i guess that's my fault
<html> a question, when did wells backdoor the sshd?
<Silent-Shadow> two days before jeremy went into jail
<Silent-Shadow> he gave Wells his email pass
<scenestar> if i am admin for a project i should be the one with full dns access
<Silent-Shadow> an email in there for wahtever reason had the root pass to rtb
<scenestar> and i should be the first one to see if it resolves or not
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar, ok, set your dns to 12.169.160.151 and 152
<scenestar> and with people backdooring my sshd i do not trust your servers
<scenestar> and i am not using your dns for privacy reasons
<Henke37> privacy?
<Silent-Shadow> huh?
<scenestar> well both that
<scenestar> and the fact that i manage more domains than just rtb
<scenestar> i host alot more domains on another dns
<Silent-Shadow> ok?
<scenestar> so it just doesn't make sense from any logical perspective to use those
<Silent-Shadow> DNS, when changed, can take 48 horus to propogate
<Silent-Shadow> and you got pissed when it didn't happen in 2 minutes
<Henke37> you could have added a NS record that pointed to your dns
<Silent-Shadow> Henke37: who?
<Henke37> scenestar,
<Silent-Shadow> he does for his domains
<scenestar> if i recall i am not allowed to do so
<Silent-Shadow> your server and domains are for projects unrelated ot hackthissite
<scenestar> yet just as important as hackthissite
<Silent-Shadow> you had no right to publicly and officially change the name of rootthisbox to .net without talking to anyone about it, let alone telling anyone about it
<Silent-Shadow> same with moving the site to a different server
<Silent-Shadow> i'm the sysadmin, and when stuff starts happening without me knowing, i get worried
<scenestar> it would be totally transparent to the users
<scenestar> they wouldnt notice anything
<Silent-Shadow> yeah, except then the site went down on your box
<scenestar> and i told you several times, but you refused
<Silent-Shadow> it was working on the jail
<Silent-Shadow> there was no reason to even move it in the first place
<scenestar> downtime is acceptable in something under development
<Silent-Shadow> yet you did it without telliing anyone
<Silent-Shadow> it's been in "pre alpha" for 3 months
<Silent-Shadow> even v4 is farther than "pre alpha"
<scenestar> yeah so
<Silent-Shadow> and why is it taking so long?
<html> 3monts plus the 6 months before ^^
<Henke37> well, it is partly done and partly not done at all
<scenestar> 1: It takes time to do things right
<scenestar> 2: I want to use my own servers because i simply prefer debian
<Henke37> why it is taking so long? I got a life + it is distracting with changeing server like twice a week
<scenestar> yeah
<scenestar> that too
<html> as far as I know scenestar, you had root in the jail, so had everything you needed to set the jail up and to run the project
<scenestar> html
<scenestar> wrong
<html> how so?
<Silent-Shadow> so you had to change everything on a whim wihtout telling anyone because you just don't like the OS?
<scenestar> i cant even ping or nmap localhost to check if a port is open
<Silent-Shadow> it was already working
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar: that's because you broke the jail
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow i cant even use nmap
<Silent-Shadow> you were in the wrong jail
<Silent-Shadow> you can, actually
<scenestar> even now that it is fixed i cannot
<Silent-Shadow> and it works fine, as i tested
<scenestar> last night nmap did not work
<scenestar> nor did ping
<Silent-Shadow> try it from a different computer
<Silent-Shadow> you can ping out
<Henke37> I can't even run who is the ssh account I last got
<Silent-Shadow> i also have the kernel security level higher to prevent kernel escalations
<scenestar> so do I
<Silent-Shadow> that DOES block some things that are NOT required to build a functioning website and scanner
<scenestar> who says that they are not required
<Henke37> I do
<scenestar> If i want to check nmap to see if mail is working
<scenestar> for validation
<Silent-Shadow> then netstat -an
<scenestar> what is wrong with that?
<Silent-Shadow> or sockstat
<scenestar> i prefer nmap
<Silent-Shadow> ok
<Silent-Shadow> then why do it from localhost
<Silent-Shadow> maybe it's only listening to localhost
<scenestar> because i dont have to open another terminal
<Henke37> screen
<Henke37> + lazyness is a bad excuse
<scenestar> screen only works on 1 host
<Silent-Shadow> if you're going to test for external ports, don't scan from localhost
<scenestar> well anyways, why are admins not allowed to run their own projects as they see fit
<scenestar> Why does everything have to be hosted on the hts server
<scenestar> give me one good valid reason
<Henke37> so that it all can be easily wiped?
<Henke37> wait, that is a bad reason
<Silent-Shadow> Henke37: that wou'dnlt happen
<Silent-Shadow> it's a seperate jail
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow
<scenestar> still
<scenestar> why
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar: because even though you're "running" the project, it's not yours
<scenestar> so right
<Silent-Shadow> and your "decisions" are ones that SHOULD be made by the group
<Silent-Shadow> not just you
<scenestar> the code that Henke37
<scenestar> wrote
<scenestar> isnt his
<Henke37> actualy it is
<Silent-Shadow> which code?
<scenestar> it belongs to *hts*
<Silent-Shadow> ...he still wrote it
<scenestar> the php Henke37 wrote
<Silent-Shadow> what have you done?
<scenestar> well what did Henke37 do
<Henke37> I never signed or said anything that gave away the copyright to the php code
<Silent-Shadow> he wrote the php
<scenestar> he put, time and effort into Henke37
<scenestar> same here, i put time and effort into it too
<html> well from my side of view scenestar did a lot
<html> not coding, not admin work, but trouble
<scenestar> hum?
<scenestar> you mean i've dealt with trouble
<html> if you want to contribute to the hts team, you have to accept team rules
<scenestar> uhuh
<html> otherwise you have to run your own separate things
<Silent-Shadow> you can't work in a team
<scenestar> if i want to have a meeting in here
<scenestar> you just left for 2 weeks
<Silent-Shadow> you always want to have more power, more access
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow got snowed in
<Silent-Shadow> 4 days
<scenestar> you people are useless as a team
<Silent-Shadow> ...
<scenestar> you arent around
<scenestar> or dont respond
<Silent-Shadow> everyone else seems to be doing fine except you
<scenestar> Henke37 i can rely on
<scenestar> Sid too
<Silent-Shadow> the way i've seen you treat henke in #rootthisbox scares me
<Silent-Shadow> i wonder why he even wants to work with you
<scenestar> Henke37 what is your opinion on this
<Silent-Shadow> i've never seen someone so condescending as you
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow : i give him all the freedom to do as he sees fit
<Henke37> I work with the one that gives the best offer
<scenestar> i dont enforce rules like USE THIS SERVER NOW
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar, so then in his freedom, he could remove all his code, right?
<scenestar> I listen to him and take his word for it
<scenestar> very well he could
<Henke37> actualy you and ss is the only who have said what server to use
<Henke37> I sure can
<Silent-Shadow> good to know
<scenestar> That is one of the reasons why i try to not let it come to that point
<scenestar> and keep him happy
<Silent-Shadow> you fired him the other day
<Silent-Shadow> what was that for again?
<Henke37> licensing issues
<scenestar> I apologised on that later
<Silent-Shadow> ok
<Henke37> I did not wan't gpl since it gave to much rights
<Silent-Shadow> so explain to me why you were trying to change the domain 'officially' wihtout telling anyone
<Silent-Shadow> or the server
<html> scenestar, do you still want to contribute to hts or hts related projects ?
<scenestar> html i sure do
<Silent-Shadow> or how you could "accidently" rm -rf /* a server, by being in the wrong terminal
<html> when are you going to accept team decisions ?
<scenestar> html as soon as they are made
<Silent-Shadow> or taking that layout and putting it on rtb to show it's still "active" and claiming it as your own code
<scenestar> you have not been around for days
<Henke37> one issue at a time
<Silent-Shadow> even henke thought it was your own code
<html> indeed I have been ill
<Silent-Shadow> and once someone found out, you editted the code just a little bit
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow
<Silent-Shadow> or what about the IE popup thing basically demanding people that use IE to use firefox, which gets YOU more money
<scenestar> The "stolen template" was taken from openwebdesign.org, a site that I upload my own templates to as well.
<scenestar> I put it up in order to show more than stale black and white html pages. I was working on an original one Until i all of a sudden had to drop all work to deal with silent bullshit move requests
<Silent-Shadow> i don't care that you took a template
<Silent-Shadow> even from a site like that
<scenestar> As a hacker I feel it is my duty to have users switch to a better, more secure browser, this is popup was just one of the ways.
<scenestar> the popup was broken, and i admit that, it was however something that I didn’t even have a chance to look at and fix. If you paid any attention You would have known that
<scenestar> I put it up in order to show more than stale black and white html pages. I was working on an original one Until i all of a sudden had to drop all work to deal with silent bullshit move requests
<scenestar> ^^my reply to the template
<Silent-Shadow> i don't care that you took a template
<Silent-Shadow> even from a site like that
<Silent-Shadow> but you claimed it as _yours_
<Silent-Shadow> and it wasn't yours
<scenestar> sigh
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow
<Silent-Shadow> i'm at work and have a couple things i'm doing, sorry if i'm delayed
<html> from my side of view scenestar has never accepted team rules yet. he had root for rtb for roughly 9 months and we all know how far the project has come and who did what part of the work which is done so far. when I come on irc I always see scenestar saying "meh, I am bored". I must clearly say, from my side of view scenestar should run his own projects apart from hts.
<Silent-Shadow> and he is nearly impossible to work with
<Silent-Shadow> when i 'came onboard'
<Silent-Shadow> he kept demanding full privs to rtb
<Silent-Shadow> at the time it was outthere
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow
<Silent-Shadow> and finally html and i said whatever, go for it
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:41 <Wells> scenestar, what don't you like
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:41 <Slothearn> Eh...
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:46 <scenestar> blegh
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:46 <Synchronium> mad lulz right there
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:48 <scenestar> too dark
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:49 <Synchronium> When it happens to Slothearn
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:50 <Slothearn> I'm a lot more chill than you think, Marco.
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:53 <scenestar> plus its basicly a quick hack
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:17:58 <Slothearn> Shit like that doesn't really piss me off.
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:18:04 <scenestar> of a OSWD.org template
<scenestar> owned
<scenestar> i got you
<scenestar> i never claimed it was mine
<Wells> fuck the template, it's not important
<Silent-Shadow> and the first thing that he did was demand admin on the forums as well, threateing to remove cs.net from hts.org
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:16:20 <scenestar> blegh
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:16:26 <scenestar> i dont like the current rootthisbox site
<scenestar> Dec 11 00:16:29 * scenestar does a redo
<Henke37> posting a log never proofs that you did not say it someother time
<Wells> what Henke37 said
<nyko> If scenestar is removed, who is left to develop rtb?
<scenestar> right
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar: you posted on the forums where both henke and you claimed it was your layout
<scenestar> show that
<scenestar> you have to prove that
<Henke37> agreed, prove it
<Silent-Shadow> http://www.criticals...?...8584&st=40#
<Silent-Shadow> from henke...
<Silent-Shadow> Scenestar is our webdesigner, he did the stylesheet.
<Silent-Shadow> To be honest I absolutely hate it.
<Silent-Shadow> It's a quick and dirty throw together of various templates and stuff I had lying around, plus It's a complete bitch to maintain. Every time i add or remove and image/element it completely breaks.
<Silent-Shadow> that's from you ^^
<Silent-Shadow> the
<Silent-Shadow> To be honest I absolutely hate it.
<Silent-Shadow> It's a quick and dirty throw together of various templates and stuff I had lying around, plus It's a complete bitch to maintain. Every time i add or remove and image/element it completely breaks.
<scenestar> It's a quick and dirty throw together of various templates and stuff I had lying around, plus It's a complete bitch to maintain. Every time i add or remove and image/element it completely breaks.
<scenestar> It's a quick and dirty throw together of various templates and stuff I had lying around,
<scenestar> note the last part
<Wells> let's drop this issue
<scenestar> I HAD LYING AROUND
<Wells> we are just playing word games
<scenestar> Wells Silent-Shadow considers this a major issue
<scenestar> i want this resolved
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar: no i don't
<Wells> everything can be interpreted differently
<Silent-Shadow> you're the one trying to prove this one specifically
<Silent-Shadow> you're impossible to work with
<Silent-Shadow> you make major decisions on your own
<Silent-Shadow> even i haven't done that
<Silent-Shadow> you public slander people
<Silent-Shadow> you can't get along with the team
<scenestar> so uhm
<scenestar> the truth is not slander
<scenestar> it's just biased against you
<Silent-Shadow> you're saying that i'm holding rootthisbox hostage, and that i've gone crazy?
<scenestar> hush
<Silent-Shadow> and yet you do these decisions
<Silent-Shadow> major decisions
<Silent-Shadow> rtb is a website, with a scanner
<Silent-Shadow> and perhaps a setup that does the dns like you were saying
<Silent-Shadow> i like that
<Silent-Shadow> and with our current set up, with that "telnet" thing you don't like
<Silent-Shadow> that would be EASY to add another subdomain
<Silent-Shadow> could script it in php
<scenestar> <Silent-Shadow> if i see .net ANYWHERE on that site, you're removed
<scenestar> <Silent-Shadow> i'm fucking sick of it
<scenestar> <scenestar> Silent-Shadow
<scenestar> <Silent-Shadow> i don't give a shit what you've done for .net
<scenestar> yes
<scenestar> you have gone crazy
<scenestar> bat shit insane to be honest
<Silent-Shadow> dude, that's because you're trying to make it .net
<Silent-Shadow> and you didn't fucking listen
<Silent-Shadow> and i hear about .net again
<Silent-Shadow> so i say no
<Wells> rtb has always been .org, it matches with hackthissite
<Wells> no reason to change it
<Wells> i don't even know why that was registered
<scenestar> hah
<scenestar> i was planning to reg it
<scenestar> and one day before i did
<scenestar> silent reregged .org
<Silent-Shadow> and you say i'm slow at updating dns?
<Henke37> fact: rtb.net is legaly owned by scenestar
<scenestar> plus, hackthissite.net has ads on it
<Wells> who cares about rtb.net
<Silent-Shadow> hts.net isn't us
<scenestar> so i just plain regged it anyways
<scenestar> so that *wouldnt* happen again
<Henke37> net or org? we got cs.net
<Silent-Shadow> but we never had cs.org
<Wells> i don't even like cs.net as a domain
<Silent-Shadow> there is no reason to change something that has been the same for 2+ years
<Wells> why not forums.hackthissite.org
<Wells> heh
<html> off topic
<Wells> yeah ok
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar, you've had access and ability to get everything up and running
<Silent-Shadow> and instead you've changed things without getting others in the team involved or even let them know
<html> yep, for 9 months
<Silent-Shadow> and caused more problems than anyone i can remember
<Silent-Shadow> RTB isn't that complicated, and it's definitely not supposed to be a profitable thing
<Silent-Shadow> which is exactly what you're trying to make it
<Silent-Shadow> you said that iceshaman stole all the money from buz, and you even said you called buz to confirm that
<scenestar> wait wait wait
<scenestar> 1 thing at a time plz
<Silent-Shadow> i talked to buz, and he called you a liar, and has then since sent the money to my paypal
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar: no, it's over
<scenestar> what
<Silent-Shadow> you're done
<scenestar> rtb was supposed to become bigger
<Silent-Shadow> you've got your server, and your domain
<scenestar> and better
<scenestar> more vms
<scenestar> more challenges
<scenestar> and better learning, because obviously previous games were too hard
<scenestar> so getting that all figured out took me an assload of time
<Silent-Shadow> so where is it?
<Henke37> the users where idiots too
<scenestar> all written down in txt files
<html> alright scenestar, good luck for your .net project.
<Silent-Shadow> my point is you are clearly in no condition to be doing this, with the way you handle yourself privately and publicly
<Wells> where are these text files
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow, how much longer till people get sick of you?
<Silent-Shadow> hopefully never
<scenestar> uhuh
<scenestar> i remember otherwise
<Silent-Shadow> because i promised Jeremy I would keep it all running smoothily til he got back
<scenestar> well you never made me admin
<scenestar> jeremy did
<Silent-Shadow> maybe 'back in the day'
<Silent-Shadow> but when i started hosting hts, outthere was running rtb
<Henke37> I think it would be apropiate now to mention that scenestar is not the only ne who have acted without asking people
<Henke37> Silent-Shadow asked me in pm about backups
<Silent-Shadow> Henke37: go for it
<scenestar> yeah
<scenestar> there's a double standard here
<Silent-Shadow> yeah, because i'd rather not have your code, Henke37, to go to waste
<Silent-Shadow> double standard my ass
<scenestar> if the forums can host themselves
<scenestar> why cant I?
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar: they're moving back to the same box
<Silent-Shadow> Sid's already agreed
<Henke37> of cource not to waste it, but seriously, now is not the time to bother
<scenestar> Sid nyko
<scenestar> confirm it
<Sid> moving to Silent-Shadow's box, yes, if he insists
<html> scenestar, you were admin, you had root and you became the official leader of the rtb project. the problem is, you didnt get it done
<scenestar> Henke37 can you tell me about who else acted without discussing
<Sid> no reason not to
<Henke37> scenestar, you are asking for confirmation about the ircd hoster. He can spoof messages you know
<nyko> Yeah
<Silent-Shadow> Henke37: i can't spoof messages
<scenestar> yes you can
<Silent-Shadow> that was sendraw, and it was removed over 2 months ago
<Silent-Shadow> don't call me a liar
<scenestar> you are calling me one
<Silent-Shadow> i already showed flatline and jeremy with shell to the box
<scenestar> so if i call you one
<scenestar> its bad?
<Silent-Shadow> scenestar: you are one
<scenestar> dont call me a liar
<Silent-Shadow> and you haev no proof that i'm lying
<Sid> I could always confirm it over MSN if scenestar doubts the ircd
<Silent-Shadow> and i have proof that you are
<scenestar> Silent-Shadow i can debunk all proof
<Silent-Shadow> iok
<Silent-Shadow> ok*
<Silent-Shadow> ask flatline
<Silent-Shadow> he's the one that has the proof
<nyko> Will you not work on rtb under silents server?
<Henke37> I am amased we still ain't namecalling
<html> it is more important to scenestar to say "blegh, I am bored" on irc, to ask for the apache logs in order to analyze the referers, to remove articles he doesnt like than working on rtb
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